Five best LF’s in baseball

No, I haven’t forgotten about my top five lists.  This is actually my favorite part of blogging.  And I still have two positions remaining after this: RF and C.  And then of course I will come up with some kind of list with the top starters, maybe even the top five relievers after that–although I may stay away from relievers because it will be so difficult to do.  Other than my Kevin Youkilis tragedy, I feel that I am doing pretty well with my lIsts, and the number five spot always seems to be the most debated. 

On to the list…

  • Manny Ramirez:  I guess until Manny proves us that he cannot play great, then we must assume that he is great.  Manny was a good hitter with the Red Sox IN 2008, but was having a year in which everyone realized that this wasn’t 2004 Manny anymore.  Manny posted an OPS+ of 136, which is good, but was the second worst that he posted since 1994–when he played only 91 games at age 22.  Ramirez was clearly having trouble with the harder pitching in the game, and then of course the fiasco that followed…Then out of nowhere, whether it was the weaker NL pitching, or another level of being motivated, Manny absolutely killed the ball for a few months.  Posted an OPS+ of 219, and it rivaled some of the greatest stretches that I have ever seen as a fan.  A .396 average over those 53 games.  An incredible .743 slugging percentage.  An unheard of 32% of his balls in play were line drives.  32%!!!  Over the past 4 seasons, plus his 100 games with the Red Sox, the closest Manny has come to that is 24%.  And we are talking about one of the greatest hitters to ever step into the box.  Granted, it was a fairly small sample size, as 53 games isn’t 153 games.  But it is still pretty remarkable.
  • Matt Holiday:  It truly is difficult for me to post what I think is such a question mark this high.  After all, Holliday isn’t great away from Coors, although his splits have been becoming a bit more comparable, a bit less deceiving, it seems.  As far as I have heard and researched, Holliday is a better baserunner than the next guy, and a better defender,  which is really what separates him.  And both Holliday and the next player will be making difficult transitions to the American League this season, meaning we will really be seeing what kind of players they are.
  • Jason Bay:  I know Jay Bay sucked in 2007.  But in both 2006 and 2008 he was a very good player, maybe not a great player, but very good.  Bay has a weak arm and doesn’t exactly play defense all that well.  But Bay is a great hitter and has been for a while now.  Bay has posted OPS+’s of 132 or greater in 4 of his five years in which he has earned enough playing time to matter.  It is funny that some seem to be down on Bay.  Pecota doesn’t love him this season, but still thinks he will be a pretty good player.  And after seeing what Manny did with the Dodgers, and what Manny has done over his career, Red Sox fans seem to be weary of Jason Bay.  Understand that he is NOT Manny.  And he will probably hit between .270-.280.  But Bay will slug .500 and get on base well above the league average.  He isn’t Manny, but it could be much worse, definitely.
  • Ryan Braun:  Braun could move up after this season, but I cannot go any higher than this yet.  And the players he would be passing aren’t exactly finished playing well.  Braun is a very good hitter.  His 2007 season was incredible in only 113 games, and Braun wasn’t quite as good in 2008.  But the guy can swing the stick, posting OPS+’s of 153 and 128 in what is a very young career.  I chose him over the next few guys (that ones that could fill slot number 5) because his flaws seem to be less detrimental to a team.
  • Adam Dunn:  The fifth spot is up for grabs.  All Dunn can do well is hit, and hit he does.  Gets on base a ton, and hits for lots of power.  A simple description, I know.  Dunn also hits very consistently, as everyone makes us aware of.  But move any of the following names into this spot and I have no problem. 

The “stuff your sorry’s in a sack, Mr.” section:  Carl Crawford:  Hit more.  Pat Burrell:  You could have been fifth I guess.  Carlos Quentin:  Continue to play well and you will take away the fifth spot.  Alfonso Soriano:  Could have been fifth too, I guess. 

That fifth spot is not exactly set in stone.  None of them are though, I guess.  So place whichever player you wish in that last spot, as long as it isn’t too ridiculous.  

17 Comments

Of course now all Manny needs is a team to play for! ;-D

Julia
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I think your picks are good. I’d give Crawford the additional spot. He can do it all. I’d certainly take him on my team.

- http://janeheller.mlblogs.com

What a sad list of defensive outfielders. Let’s look at Manny’s numbers away from Fenway after a year…

Steve T.
http://soxblog.mlblogs.com

Of course, the D on this list is pretty non-apparent, right? LF has always been a defense-poor position or is that just me thinking that to myself? Manny, Bonds, those guys… liabilities.
–Jeff
http://redstatebluestate.mlblogs.com/

Nice list,

You know I got to throw Carl Crawford up there too because of wht he can do on the base paths. Even with him suffering hamstring and worst injuries over the past 3 years, he has still posted some amazing stats for a young player.

A ball into the deep gap to any of those other players is not s triple. but maybe a double. He adds a special tool to the offense, with his power getting better every year. I think in the next 3 years his power will come out 2-fold and we will wonder where it came from

Jason Bay and Ryan Braun are my two other favorites on your list. Bay just has that bat stroke that seems so effortless and natural. His time in Boston will produce the best numbers of his career because he will see more pitches and get a chance to also show his power more in 2009.

Braun, he is just an animal. I truly think he will top 40 homers for about the next 3 years without a problem. He is just that player you hope to draft and hopes makes it to the majors before his gift shows up. He will be a star for a long time, but the next three years might showcase his talents.

Rays Renegade

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Steve, Are you questioning Manny’s greatness? :)

Jeff, After I wrote the next blog, I regretted putting Dunn 5th, that in addition to no one wanting to pay him for most of the offseason. But I can’t be too far wrong, if I am wrong about Dunn being 5th.

RaysRenegade, I like Crawford, a center fielder playing left is nice. I don’t mind him being put there. And Braun has a good chance to hit 40 because of that ballpark too, I would think. But he is a very good hitter nonetheless.

I think you shafted Quentin. He deserves to be there. Especially since he consistently faces better pitchers in the AL than Bay faced for the last 2 and a half out of 3 years in the NL. The poisition is very deep. Crawford, Burrell, and Soriano all seemingly also have legitimate claims to top-5 spots. If one thing is certain, Manny Ramirez is the best LF in the game.

But Quentin has basically 130 games of greatness. I don’t doubt that he will be good. But I don’t think that it is fair to have him over Bay, when Bay has been pretty close to great for a while now. Trust me, I am aware of Quentin, but I like 3-4 year samples more than just one. Braun only has two, I know. But it is the one year samples that I try not to put too much stock into. Although I DO believe Quentin is a good player.

Joe. I would never question Manny’s greatness…at the plate. But in the outfield, I’d feel more comfy with a retired Yaz patrolling the left side.

Steve

You said “Mannys numbers away from Fenway.” I thought that you were referring to offensive numbers, because I didn’t even know you looked at defensive numbers. Some people just don’t care much for defensive numbers…

Very true…despite his defensive misgivings (and they are plenty), Manny Ramirez is the best pure hitter of our generation. This is a guy who could roll out of bed at 50 and still probably hit 30 homers a season and drive in 100 runs. Some guys are just born to play baseball, and he is one of them. Plus, no steroid allegations, and I believe he is clean unless proven otherwise…he’s just always been big and ugly!!
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I see. You’re doing the overall player thing considering career numbers, etc. By that standard Bay certainly ranks ahead of Quentin. Quentin did have a better year last year, but like you said, 1 season isn’t a big enough sample size. Though Quentin did have an excellent minor league career, with OPS around 950 at practically every level.

And pwhjort, I believe that Quentin will be a good player. I am not sure that he will post an OPS+ of 148 each season, but he should be good. I take into account careers, but not necessarily the entire career. The last two or three years is much more vital in these rankings

I like the list. Ryan Braun will certainly be among the best for a long time. Braun’s defense is also up and coming.
Braun is my “homer” prediction for ’09 NL MVP. Truth is, I believe it!
“Happy”

http://thehappyyoungster.mlblogs.com/

Braun is very good already, and the park will help his home run totals, so as long as the Brewers stay in contention, then he should have a shot.

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